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Post by Antlion on Apr 23, 2009 14:55:36 GMT -9
It has come to my attention that many of my peers are playing at Project Playground located by Twin Lakes. I acknowledge that many are eager to get a taste of urban combat, but this is ridiculous.
There is nothing "perfectly legal" about it, and because "I asked a cop and he said it was okay" is not any more of a valid justification for this kind of activity. Airsoft guns are considered firearms, and there are laws concerning the discharge of firearms within city limits, making this very illegal from the start. There is also a lot of skepticism that we should take because one person asked a police officer. For one, he may not have been on duty, and he also does not speak for the entire force. Unless we were to receive the express permission from the police chief in writing, I would not even think about taking my rifle out of my duffel bag.
I know that many of us (including myself) are teenagers. With that, we are prone to think that we are invincible. A simple civilian calling in alarm could spark a lot of controversy, if not a major scene by the police or even a death. Legislation is also something we should fear as a simple incident that could come from Project Playground could pave the way for new laws putting us out of business.
I am not demanding an immediate cease and desist of this activity, as I have no place to tell my peers what they can and cannot do.
However, I am largely disgusted with how airsoft has gotten to be in this town. I simply am looking for fellow players who would like to restart legitimate and SAFE skirmishes.
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Post by Antlion on Apr 27, 2009 21:30:50 GMT -9
And the most wanted list I'm hearing about is bullshit. I'm tired of putting up with the overall low maturity level of many of my peers between their hot guns and lack of respect for sensible activity with their rifles.
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Post by hatah on Apr 28, 2009 16:42:41 GMT -9
Most Wanted list?
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Post by Antlion on Apr 28, 2009 19:28:53 GMT -9
I was told I was going to face retaliation if I were to show up at any of the fields.
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Post by Aki-san on Apr 28, 2009 22:02:23 GMT -9
the definition of FIREARM: a weapon from which a shot is discharged by gunpowder. So airsoft is not even close to a actual rifle. We can discharge an airsoft gun anywhere in a public place but not at a person. "it is legal to play airsoft in public places unless bystandars are present" and dude we didnt as if we could play at project playground, they told us that we could. Safe and Legitamate: We have been Doing just that .... I respect your opinion but please get both stories and facts!
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Post by Aki-san on Apr 28, 2009 22:04:35 GMT -9
and dont worry... im not going to retaliate against you out there... What happens out there has nothing to do with personal feelings.
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Post by Aki-san on Apr 29, 2009 0:01:01 GMT -9
oh we have a small place by delta western that is privately owned that we can build stuff on!! like pallet bunkers. and i have been working on building things but if you or ANY ONE ELSE WANT TO JOIN ME ill be there all week. and the next week and the next. (god my sentences dont make any F**KING SENSE!!!!!!!)
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Post by Antlion on Apr 29, 2009 23:42:36 GMT -9
Alaska state law defines BB guns as firearms. This means it's even illegal to play where we normally do, however I'm sure even authority figures would omit our slight infraction due to the fact we're well away from any structures.
What's more is that one police officer does not speak for the entire force. We have no idea if any of the other officers are on the same page. He may have told us that he'd tell other members of JPD, but can we be sure? What if it didn't get the chief's blessing? What if there is a newer member? What if someone forgets?
The legal ramifications that could come from an incident as a result of this behavior could be harsh. Yes, we do live in a country that has a strong conservative voice. Yes, firearms are protected under the constitution. However, many cities have adopted to ban pistols, or other specific firearms. A simple city council guided by an outraged city could specifically ban replica firearms, and the ghost of Thomas Jefferson would not haunt the town of Juneau.
I'm not trying to impose a strict set of rules, or kill the sport. Do you guys realize what you were doing? You were playing at a playground, an area favored by children. What's more is that this location was nestled in between a major highway, and a suburb. Psychologically, you were bringing a gun to a location where kids go, kids that are usually defended tooth and nail by their mothers. I'd be willing to bet that half of the guns even had markings too.
I want to be safe. I want to keep it legal. I want to have fun. This needs to be addressed though.
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Post by Aki-san on Apr 30, 2009 20:56:22 GMT -9
ok... where can i find the law on airsoft guns... because airsoft is definately not a firearm. It should be in its own class... anyways and 2 officers and definately not newbie cops, we found a solution to move playing to Delta Field now. So a quick fix that will last. The only reason why we stopped playing there was because people in general started to play at night and all the snow melt. I think that parents dont mind us playing there in the winter or in rain because kids wont play in bad weather out there. Anyways i think that this is a good argument that you are making. but yeah, i agree and disagree on one or 2 things but i respect YOUR opinion. EVERYONE IS ENTITLED TO OPINION, Even those who dont play!
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Post by (F.O.D.) TaxMan on May 25, 2009 7:37:00 GMT -9
mmmm.... I never heard Airsoft being considered a firearm....
anydangway... the thing I have read as to why people should not have Airsoft games in a public place is because Airsoft guns look real from a distance, sometimes up close the look real even. Becasue, they look real you could get in touble with the poilce or shot by accident because your airsoft gun was misstain for a real firearm. just about every Airsoft gun I have ever bought has that as one of its warrings right in the user manul.
AKI-SAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
if you want people to come help you I for one need a heck of a lot more info on how to get there! post up a map in the map section for us to use!
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Post by (F.O.D) Bloodworth on Jun 18, 2009 16:01:15 GMT -9
actually, the definition of a firearm is a bit more stringent than that. A projectile being propelled by powder is not the distinction. Black powder weapons are not legally considered as firearms anywhere in the United States and as such are even legal for convicted felons to own. BB guns are not considered firearms within the city and borough of Juneau, however, discretion is called for in their use. Airsoft guns, being what they are make police very nervous and have on several occasions throughout the states been the cause of accidental shootings by the police.
As far as them being illegal even where you play, that depends on where that is. If you are referring to the lemon creek battelfield, you are quite mistaken. Within the CBJ, you may discharge any firearm so long as you are at least 1/4 mile from the road system, 1/4 mile from houses and back in the woods. I used the lemon creek battlefield area as a rilfe range for more than 20 years without incident.
Mind you, I find news of airsoft players using a public playground for their activities appalling. I had hoped that our members would show better judgment than that, regardless of what one uninformed police officer had said. The main reason primary activities had been moved to lemon creek from dredge lake was the proximity of dredge to innocent bystanders. All it will take is one noncom to get hit and we will have a lawsuit on our hands. If this happens, the city council CAN AND WILL outlaw airsoft in Juneau altogether. Never for a second think that this can't happen. All it takes is one idiot to screw it up for everyone.
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Post by Aki-san on Sept 11, 2010 15:06:35 GMT -9
well its all gone now taxman, i had a F**king good bunker but its totally gone now... but ill try and give you a map of the are... the guy that owns the land said we could play there but all we had to do was stay off the dirt area...
and yeah playing at twin lakes was kinda stupid... but still, we need to diversify and build an are where we can do cqb... instead of just woodland fighting...
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Post by malcavitch on Sept 13, 2010 13:07:18 GMT -9
Frankly at this point I will take what I can get, as far as games go. Woodlands or CQB, I don't care. Is that location by Delta Western still available? if so I would help put it back together. If you are actively playing I would love to play again.
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Post by hatah on Sept 14, 2010 19:15:10 GMT -9
Ditto.
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Post by Aki-san on Sept 24, 2010 18:13:47 GMT -9
yeah its still there i believe... i know the owner so it wont be a problem to play there... but there isnt any bunkers there... just straight woods... and ill be home the 10th and games will be played freqently
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